today to the president. >> we want to let all kids know they can be awesome@l at athletics. >> science, congratulations to the young brainiacs who made it to the white house science fair. kind of my favorite thing that happens there every year. everybody loves the easter egg roll. i am a science fair partisan. that does it for us tonight. "the last word with lawrence o'donnell" begins now. have a great night. we have breaking news in the boston bombing investigation tonight, the suspect in custody is communicating with investigators by nodding his head yes to some questions and shaking his head no to others. he has told investigators that he and his brother acted on their own. >> after two days in the hospital, the 19-year-old

suspect is awake and being interrogated. >> the charges have been unsealed against dzhokhar tsarnaev, a terrorism charge, use of a weapon of mass destruction and the other is mallish us destruction of property resulting in death. two bombing charges that could carry the death penalty. >> they may have been radicalized but there are no direct links to al qaeda. >> one man reached in, opened the door, points a gun at him, says i am quoting from the court document, did you hear about the boston explosion, i did that. >> that boast, i did that, is one of the compelling pieces of evidence in this complaint. >> boston and the nation pause for a moment of silence today. >> to mark one week since the deadly marathon bombing strike. >> it is an emotional day as you might imagine. dozens of people pouring out of office buildings, out of apartments here.

[ bell ringing ] >> nbc's pete williams reports that several officials familiar with the initial interrogation of dzhokhar tsarnaev describe him as cooperative. the senior government official says the suspect has told them by writing some answers and by nodding yes or shaking his head no to others that he and his brother were not in touch with any overseas terrorists or groups and that they conceived the bombing attack on their own, motivated he told them by religious fervor. according to the officials the suspect told them they got their instructions on how to make bombs on the internet. in federal district court, federal prosecutors filed a criminal complaint, quote, charging dzhokhar tsarnaev of cambridge, massachusetts with

using a weapon of mass destruction against persons and property at the boston marathon on april 15th, 2013, resulting in death. tsarnaev is in the custody of united states marshals at beth israel hospital. he has gunshot wounds to the head, neck, legs, and hand. despite those injuries, the court was satisfied today that the defendant was able to respond to the charges and investigators say he was able to respond to their questions. he is likely to face other charges as the evidence develops, including homicide charges in the murder of m.i.t. police officer sean collier, and attempted murder charges in the shooting of transit authority police officer richard doneahud. today, one week after the marathon, that day today became a public ritual when at 2:50 p.m., a moment of silence was observed in boston, a silence that was heard and observed as

far away as the white house. here is president obama at 2:50 p.m. today. people across the state of massachusetts including at the police station in watertown where the second suspect was finally caught on friday night observed that moment of silence. a s.w.a.t. team officer that made the arrest, actually made that arrest, described the suspect's condition when they found him in the boat. >> when we were moving up to the boat, he was actually laying down on the side of the boat, one leg out, one hand out. >> did he say anything to you? >> i don't think he had energy to say anything. once we got him on the ground, he was complying, going in and out of consciousness. >> the final pursuit of the suspect began thursday night when police received reports of the murder of m.i.t. police officer sean collier. i reached the victim of the carjacking this weekend, and he

understandably and politely declined to answer questions about his experience, but he did tell me police did a great job. they are very serious, they are helpful. they saved my life. the federal complaint tells the carjacking victim's story this way. a man approached and tapped on his passenger side window. when the victim rolled down the window, the man reached in, opened the door, and entered the victim's vehicle. the man pointed a firearm at the victim and stated did you hear about the boston explosion, and i did that. the man removed the magazine from his gun and showed the victim it had a bullet in it, then reinserted the magazine. the man then stated i am serious. the man with the gun forced the victim to drive to another location where they picked up a second man. the two men put something in the trunk of the victim's vehicle. the complaint goes on to describe how they stopped at an atm machine, attempting to

withdraw money from the victim's account, they stopped at a gas station convenience store where according to the complaint the two men got out of the car at which point the victim managed to escape. the story of the rest of what happened that night was told to me yesterday by the chief of the police department that stopped the tsarnaev brothers from getting away. it was not the big city police department at the center of the investigation all week, the boston police department, with its heavily armed tactical forces, trained for encounters with terrorists. it was the police force of 65, only 65, who serve and protect watertown, a little city of 32,000 people, bordering on the bigger city of cambridge and the much, much bigger city of boston. chief ed davoe has been a police officer 30 years. his office located in a building that once was the elementary school that he attended.

when he looks out his office window, he can see the house he grew up in. ed and his officers thought they were trained and ready to handle anything bad that could happen in watertown. but they had never prepared for something like this. two fleeing murder suspects raining down bullets on them and throwing bombs at them. it turned out to be something beyond their worst nightmare of what the watertown police department would ever have to face, but it turned out they were ready. it was the watertown pd that stopped the murderous rampage that night. >> our officers had learned that there was a shooting, you know, m.i.t. police officer had been killed over in cambridge, then there was a carjacking. once the carjacking took place, we were getting updates there was a cell phone in the car that they were able to ping and it was coming to watertown. we had just changed shifts. two officers heard it, doubled

back, were off duty, ended up in that gun fight. we had six officers there. other officers tied up doing other things. the first officer made the sighting radioed in, told the station, supervisor, directed him do not try to pull the car over until we get you more backup, which is great training, great way to do it. unfortunately the two bad guys stopped, got out of their cars, and immediately started firing on my officer. so he was defenseless if you will in a car. he had just great guts and glory to have the determination -- >> he was alone in that car? >> he was alone in the car, we have one man cars in watertown. he had level headedness to put it in position. the other officers were around the corner. we had two or three officers pull in behind him and engage in this firefight.

[ gunfire ] >> so these people stopped being fleeing suspects, they actually are ahead of the police car, and they decide to stop and get out of the car. >> right. they took the fight to us. we were ready to take them on, but we wanted to plan a little bit more, but they brought the fight to us. >> so describe this gun fight. they step out of the car, and at first they're firing on one officer. he gets some distance to protect himself. then what happens? >> the other officers come in behind him, taking up different positions. so within minutes, i have six officers, four on duty, two off duty engaged in this gun fight, and it continues. and the bad guys go back to one of the vehicles, open a trunk at some point.

heave something at them and that was the first bomb went off, had the pressure cooker, lid embedded in a car down the street. how the officers survived just that was remarkable. gunfire continues, it continues, four more explosives are thrown at the officers, two detonate, two didn't. and now people are coming in behind my officers but it is my six guys who are front and center, and what they did is just incredible. 200, 300 rounds at least went off down there. they're still battling. the gun fight continued. the older brother came out, was getting closer. that's why he got taken down, he actually ran out of ammunition as he took fire and we were able to tackle him, try to get handcuffs on him. he was still bringing the fight to us right up until that point. >> when you're talking about hundreds, 300 rounds fired, you're talking about hundreds of rounds coming at your men from

them. >> right. that's what i think. whatever our guys returned, they shot at us probably over 200 times, is my early understanding of this. >> so when he goes down, what is the younger brother doing at that point? >> well, at some point he gets in the car jacked vehicle, suv, and comes roaring down the street. at the last minute, one of our officers saw the vehicle. i think our officers because of so many explosions couldn't hear the vehicle, somebody saw it and yelled get out of the way. at least they could hear a little bit, they dove out of the way. the brothers kept roaring down the street, went up through that area and continued up the street. literally ran over his brother. he only went probably 300 yards down the street and bailed out of that car, so he didn't get very far, he knew he was trapped. at least he couldn't leave in that vehicle, thank god, and our responding brothers of law enforcement were able to help us keep him in this area.

>> by the time he jumps out of the car, he is about 300 yards from your officers. >> right. >> who now have to make the decision about chasing him or taking care of the officer down. and what do your officers do? >> the transit officer, it was a two man cruiser, we are giving aid, trying to get an ambulance to get him to the hospital which we know he needs desperately. they focus on that and other responding officers tried to pursue the second brother. >> i think people have been wondering how did this guy escape into the darkness. so what we know is he was about 300 yards away from the officers at the time he jumps out of the car. >> right. >> then is off into the darkness. >> exactly. >> and the people who are responding are not watertown police officers, the extra troops who were coming in are not from watertown, do not know the streets, and for them, there's a struggle about exactly how to coordinate the spot where he got out of the car and

started running. >> right. you can imagine what radio traffic is going on. trying to give a location, trying to set up perimeters and pin him in, all the time as you say, them not knowing the streets in watertown, they're unfamiliar, got a lot of help real quick, but some are different parts of watertown, not even near where we need them to be and we don't have time to have somebody coordinate their efforts. >> were any of the officers confident that at least one of their bullets had hit the suspect who was fleeing? >> we knew he was hit because there was blood in the vehicle that he bailed out of. so we knew that immediately, right after daylight when we started doing the grid searches, we found blood behind a house. so we knew again that he was hit. how bad we didn't know. you know, knowing the blood was behind the house, but we cleared that house and houses around it. we were hoping that he was still

moving outside and hadn't got inside a house. >> so then in daylight, the calculation becomes how far can this 19-year-old bleeding from gunshot wounds, how far can he get on foot? >> that's right. >> turns out that lifting the lockdown in watertown turned out to be the way you found this guy. >> yeah. i would like to say, it was a brilliant decision on my part but it wasn't. turned out what i was most concerned about was nightfall, and he would have the ability to start moving again. so turned out to be brilliant that it was lifting at 6:00 when it was still daylight, and the gentleman went in the backyard and discovered him. he went out, saw straps weren't the way they should have been, but he thought it was just windy out and he went to readjust the straps, one thing led to another, went and looked under the shrink wrap, saw a little blood, still didn't register

with him right away, looked more, saw more blood, and saw a body, a person laying down, crouched, hidden around a corner. that's when he called us. >> and the suspect said nothing to him. >> didn't see movement. >> what was your reaction as soon as the 911 call came in? >> well, it made sense. that's only a block and a half outside of our perimeter. he got a little beyond what we thought he did. but that should be our guy. >> so you got the helicopter on top of him, showing he is in there. they then send this robotic vehicle down the driveway to lift up the cover to convince themselves that he's in there, and there was a hostage negotiator in the house? >> we didn't know if he was hearing us the whole time. there was a 15, 20 minute period trying to negotiate with him, telling him to respond, do certain things, there was never

response, never a communication. finally we said show your hands, stand up, lift up your shirt, eventually he started to do some of those things, but there was never a conversation. it was always him responding after a long period of time to demands of the negotiator. >> and when did you get the word that he -- we believe he's coming out of that boat voluntarily? >> we were in the command post, and we were getting constant updates that he started to get up. then we heard okay, we have him in custody. couldn't have been a better feeling when we heard that. >> yeah. when the word went out in watertown, needless to say, people were so relieved, they were -- we saw it in video, saw this appreciation for what you and your department did here. what was that experience like? >> it was incredible. i went -- the whole department

went 24 hours straight, kind of winding down, then to leave that scene, to the streets, see the residents with the flags was in credible. the support we have gotten, the bruins wearing watertown hats when they went out for the game. >> our sign of showing how much we appreciate them. >> red sox to put watertown on the banner when they did a video about the boston marathon makes us all proud. the community room was filled with story after story of how people supported us. they told me yesterday morning, chief, you have to come downstairs, two people in the lobby want to meet you, talk to you. i went downstairs, there was a gentleman about 25 with his fiance, hands me a letter, and says you know, i trained for the marathon, did 600 hours, i struggled, it was very painful, i did 16 miles and i got tired, didn't think i could make it to the finish line, i struggled,

got over the finish line, the bombs went off, then i saw what your department went through. i don't deserve this medal, i am giving it to you. and just -- that's just one of thousands of stories of how people have come to us. you know, that's the medal for our guys, those six guys down there, they deserve a trip to the white house or something, deserve the recognition that's just beyond how they survived and how they took these guys down and those bombs didn't go somewhere else, couldn't be prouder of those guys. you always say you get the gun and badge and know you get into danger, we all accept that, but you don't sign up for this. you don't know this is what's going to happen. you see this in the movies and you see this in war, you don't expect it in the back streets of watertown. we don't train for that, we don't prepare for that. so it's been, you know, very

tough. just can't believe when i signed up 30 years ago this could possibly happen. can't believe it could possibly happen here in watertown and can't possibly happen that we survived it. >> chief, everybody knows this town was lucky to have those watertown officers down there doing the job they did. coming up, more on the bombing investigation and why american police officers like the watertown police department have to contend with hundreds of bullets being fired at them. and in the "rewrite," a look at the original intent of the words of the second amendment, the right to bear arms. [ female announcer ] birdhouse plans. nacho pans.

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i told the chief after that conversation that i thought that watertown was pretty lucky to have a lifelong watertown guy like chief deveau working there, too. four more survivors of the boston bombings have gone home from hospitals, leaving 48 patients in five hospitals around the city.

only two are still in critical condition, including seven-year-old jane richard whose brother martin was killed in the blast last monday. today before the moment of silence in boston, the clock, the one i showed you was stopped last week at the time of the bombing, that clock was started again. life will continue. the mayor, thomas meneno and elizabeth warren, no one spoke before the bells tolled for martin. they're helping to raise funds for the family. go to richardfamilyfund.org if you would like to contribute.

he will not be treated as an enemy combatant. we will prostitute this terrorist through our civilian system of justice. under u.s. law, united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> joining me now, roger increase ee, terrorism analyst. roger, want you to listen to something the boston police chief said yesterday on cbs, listen do what ed davis said. >> we have reason to believe based upon the evidence found at that scene, the explosions, the explosive ordinance that was unexploded and fire power that they had that they were going to

attack other individuals. >> and roger, just to read from the complaint filed in federal court today specifically what they have in there, two unexploded ieds as well as remnants of numerous exploded ieds, also found in the search of the current suspect's, younger brother's room, they found bee-bees, the pressure cooker, low grade, also find in the search of the abandoned car, intact low grade explosive devices discovered. what do you make of those discoveries in relation to what commissioner davis said, do you see the potential of something else being planned? >> well, i think so, lawrence. either they were playing to go for additional targets at a later date, or once pictures

were published, they decided to move quickly. i think there's no doubt they were going to use it for other purposes. combine it with the arsenal they put together, and you have to conclude they had the intent of additional attacks. that's one of the questions that hopefully we get the answer from tsarnaev while he is in custody. >> roger, the behavior when they are, one would think, making a get away, driving through watertown, and being pursued by exactly one police car at that point with one police officer in it, they were in a good position to continue to maintain a lead on that car and maybe pull away, and they stop and they get out and start walking toward the police officer. this is completely inexplicable to any of the police officers i talked to in watertown, anywhere. does your terrorism expertise tell you anything about what that move was about? >> boy, i tell you, lawrence,

these two have a variety of actions since the bombing that defy some of the typical patterns we have seen from prior terrorist plots and terrorist incidents. they may have made that split decision that all right, we're going to either go out in a blaze of glory or confront the watertown police, believing they had sufficient fire power to do so. but the tick tock of what happened after the fbi published their photos is going to be one of the most heavily scrutinized portions of the investigation and questioning. i tell you, the part of the whole narrative that's the most chilling is that they launched the attacks monday. they killed and maimed in the most deliberate, premedicitated way, then he went back to dartmouth, went out with colleagues and friends. tamerlan went back to his house. and you would not have known

they had just conducted one of the most significant terrorist attacks on u.s. soil. so the psychological profile here is something that's also going to get a tremendous amount of attention. >> we have from pete williams the breaking news that he is, the suspect they currently have is cooperating, saying they acted alone, they did not have any foreign assistance, they didn't seek any foreign guidance, got instructions for bomb making on the internet. do the facts as you know them now synch with that? >> yeah, from what we know i think that is all part and parcel of the story, and i think also we would have heard pre-miranda whether or not during the public safety exception if he had provided any information about imminent threat, additional plans, additional co-conspirators. because we haven't heard from any government sources on it, we

should conclude there was nothing else in terms of imminent threat. the next step is to get all of the statements from tsarnaev and then corroborate them. to corroborate them through into good intelligence work, through question and answering with russian intelligence, going through the computers, the phone records to see if what tsarnaev has said now in a hospital bed tracks with the other information we're going to be able to uncover. >> roger, how does it track with the fact that these guys were so inadequately supported that here they are doing a carjacking, grabbing a guy, try to get him to go to the atm, because whatever money they've had has been spent on fire power and pressure cookers and they don't have enough money to get out of town. >> so what is also part of the narrative that really is fascinating is the decision-making process that they went through, and the split second choices they made that ultimately result in the death of the older tsarnaev brother,

now the younger is in custody. i think we're going to be looking at the tick tock of this past week for a long time, lawrence, because how it played out is so unusual. but as you saw with police chief deveau, fantastic law enforcement work and that's one thing we should be incredibly thankful for. >> roger cressey, thank you for joining us. we don't know what kind of firearms were used to rain down bullets on the watertown police. we will discuss how what happened there could effect how washington looks at gun and ammunition safety. on the "rewrite," a shocking piece of video. i mean, this is for real, kind of disturbing. and i'm just warning you, but it does vividly portray the original intent of the second amendment right to bear arms. the humble back seat. we believe it can be the most valuable real estate on earth.

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200 to 300 rounds at least went off down there. they're still battling, the gun fight continued. the older brother came out, was getting closer. that's why he got taken down, he ran out of ammunition and we were able to tackle him and get handcuffs on him. >> the older brother as he's approaching your officers eventually runs out of ammunition. >> right. >> and that's when you start to

prevail over him because he's out of ammunition. >> right. >> joining me now, "the washington post" ej deon, and huffington post, ryan grim. ej, there you have it, another story of hundreds of bullets, maybe 300 bullets. i listened to the sound of the bullets a number of times, it is uncountable, raining down on the watertown police officers and we don't know that high capacity magazines were involved, but the ability to deliver hundreds of bullets quickly was definitely something that the brothers were easily capable of doing. >> you know, this is a point you made on this show over and over. and i hope you keep making it over and over until we ban the big magazines. i mean, whatever else we know, we know that the more bullets the bad guys can fire, the more damage is done. and there's this talk that this is relevant to the immigration

bill. these guys came over here as kids. it is irrelevant to immigration because if you say shut down all immigration, one immigrant in 100,000 or in a million turns into a terrorist, it makes no sense. what's really relevant here is violence. where did they get their weapons, where did they get the stuff to make the bombs, why aren't their tags in the gun powder to make it easier to trace them when looking for them. those are relevant questions which is how will we make ourselves a less violate country and how do you complicate it for people that want to commit mayhem. >> ryan, we talked about it last week on this program that we have the capacity to trace gun powder. the nra simply won't let us. the atf has been wanting to do it for decades, stunned the nra has power to stop their investigative tools this way, but it is one of the things that

the nra dues are doing that the membership doesn't even know about. >> that's right. the nra blocks law enforcement from all sorts of tools they could use, not just background checks which are the famously 90% approval, but also there's no federal gun trafficking laws, and anything else that helps law enforcement track weapons immediately gets caught in this conspiracy nonsense. people think if you do anything to follow a gun from when it is produced to who buys it, the next thing you know, you're going to have --

>> the vote went down, 46-54. that was the single most important thing in all of the legislation. if we could just cut down on this rain of bullets. >> i mean, the whole episode was very depressing. it was very depressing that something as mild as a watered down background check bill could only get 54 votes. i mean in a normal world, 54 is a majority, not in the u.s. senate these days, and i agree that banning high capacity magazines seem the obvious thing to do. but i think what's important here after this gun vote is not to give up. i mean, the nra has been organized and has been able to tap into a substantial amount, minority, but substantial amount of grass roots support. this is the first time you really have the level of organization on the side of gun safety, and look, a lot of reforms have been defeated

before they passed, and i think that's how we've got to treat this. this is the beginning, not end of the line. otherwise, we are just handing victory to the nra. >> let's listen to patricia maish, at the shooting of gabby giffords and how she and others stopped the shooter because he ran out of ammunition and had to reload. let's listen to her. >> he pulled out a magazine from his left pocket, had it in his hand, but he dropped it on the sidewalk, i was able to recover it before he could get it. >> ryan grim, it doesn't seem complicated. it is about how often do they have to reload. >> right. and there's nothing in the second amendment that says you're entitled to 50 bullets in a clip. >> right. >> patricia is the same woman that yelled shame on you from the floors. >> a well earned right to heckle

in the united states senate. >> i interviewed her afterwards, they were trying to escort her out of the building, journalists formed a human shield around her with microphone in front of her, capitol police realized perhaps arresting a hero of tucson after the senate knocked down this sensible gun bill wasn't the best move, they let her continue to talk. but these are just, you know, 90%, 90% of people support this. there's no second amendment right to 50 bullets, yet here we are. >> thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. tonight's "rewrite," a disturbing new ad about gun control that may just be the most effective ad we have seen on that subject. and finally, to the lighter side, it is about time, isn't it? mark sanford's problems with his own republican party are growing and why elizabeth colbert busch now has a commanding lead in that congressional race. flying is old hat for business travelers.

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democracy was over two years old when it was rewritten to include these words. a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. the year was 1791. the founding fathers always assumed the possibility of a need for a citizens militia of some sort from time to time, and since the easiest and cheapest way to arm the men serving in such militia in those days would be to allow them to use their own muskets. a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. the supreme court has since then made what i think is the mistake of interpreting that right to extend to all americans, including those who have no intention of ever serving in the militia, which we now call the

national guard. republicans like to pretend that their interpretations of the constitution are based on the original intense of the words. they insist that what matters is what the authors of those words had in mind. they think of themselves as mind readers of the founding fathers. well, this is what they had in mind when they wrote the second amendment, a single shot firearm that takes a bit of work to reload. the kind of thing that would make it impossible for someone to walk into his workplace or his school or a movie theater or a shopping mall and kill 20 people, pump bullets into 20 children. if the founding fathers knew that the kind of lethality we have existed or was going to exist in the world, what would have happened to the wording of the second amendment? we'll never know, of course, but

we do know what the limits are on firearms, the technical limits, the magazine capacity, if you will, what they were in 1791, when the second amendment became the law of the land. they knew that criminals or crazy people would only be able to fire one bullet without very much accuracy in those days before beginning the very cumbersome chore of reloading. that point is made brilliantly in a public service announcement by the states united to prevent gun violence. i just want to warn you that some of us at the office today found it kind of disturbing to say the least to watch this video in the wake of the massacre of children and educators at sandy hook elementary school and after the torent of gunfire on massachusetts police officers last week. if you choose to watch this, watch it through to the end. it shifts from disturbing to

enlightening. and even kind of funny. here it is. >> excuse me, hey, hey. >> if you want to add those in. [ gunshot ] >> that is the kind of massacre threat we would be living under in this country today if our gun laws followed the original intent of the authors of the second amendment. ♪

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one week after the associated press reported that mark sanford's ex-wife filed a

legal complaint against sanford accusing him of trespassing, quote, multiple times at her home on sullivan's island, sanford's campaign paid for this full page ad sunday in the charleston post and courier. by original accounts you would have thought i was randomly sneaking around the house at sullivans when in fact i was returning a son from a neighborhood super bowl party. in court documents, jenny sanford said she found him at her house using his cell phone as a flashlight. today, the hill reports that sanford cancelled a washington fundraiser, hosted by south carolina's republican delegation because he needed to stay in charleston, not because washington republicans want nothing to do with him. according to the hill, several members of the south carolina delegation had been, quote, less than enthusiastic about helping sanford, end quote.

the national republican congressional committee also released a statement saying it would not be backing his campaign. in a new poll from public policy polling, democrat elizabeth colbert busch leads mark sanford by nine points, 50-41. the green party candidate is getting three points. at the end of march, colbert busch was leading by two points, 47-45%. joining me now, karen finney. karen, it is kind of amazing what a trespassing accusation can do to a congressional campaign. who knew that would be a factor. >> well, mark sanford had a tough week last week, lawrence. mark felt like he had to explain to the people what was going on. but can we just go back and remember that this whole thing started when he was in the app

latch and trail. his father said he didn't think his son should have to watch the super bowl alone. now, trying to sound like a good father, maybe should have thought about that a few years ago, not to mention his kids, he did not introduce his children to the love of his life. they met on the stage on the night of the primary. we're talking about parenting, trying to make things right, sounds like he has work to do with his own family. >> so we do have polling on what the trespassing charge means. apparently 51% of likely voters say yeah, the trespassing accusations will effect my vote. >> i would imagine that this could be one of those situations, you know, usually in the mid term elections or elections like this, turnout is an issue. i am betting this might be one where people would be more than

happy to go out and vote against such a fool. i really think so. >> so elizabeth colbert busch, opening up nine points, that's real. you see a green party candidate taking three that would go to her surely if the green party candidate wasn't there. >> right. >> i am leaning toward calling this a commanding lead. >> i think that is more than fair, and who knows, there's still plenty of time, who knows what else mark sanford will do, what other shenanigans he will pull. lawrence, here is the thing about him in all seriousness. the problem is he was trying to convince voters in the district that he basically is a changed man, changed his ways, made good with his family, for some reason thought his ex-wife would want to be his campaign manager, we'll put that aside, these activities don't support that argument. >> and karen, this written